Hi ppl.

I am experianced PC user, built my own machine (among others) and have a Q for all the hardware experts, gurus and their mentors.

Hmm.. make that ALMOST expirianced. There are alot of "unknowns" to me, especially when it comes to memory settings. The manual description is short and it, practicaly, says what I see in BIOS settings.

AMD Athlon 64 (San Diego)
Geil Value RAM (GE1GB3200BDC) 2*512
Gainward GeForce 7800 GT Bliss (512 Mb)
SATA2 HD (Maxtor DiamondMAX 160 Gb)

Problems (hopfuly) were:

Random memory access errors in manner: "memory could not be read" and "memory could not be written" at random adresses and by random software. First time it happened was during the XP SP2 upgrade. Had to Install windows again, and SP2 upgrade went well second time. Same file, same machine, same everything.

Sad to say that I have consulted the Mobo manual when purchasing the RAM. Instead of getting Kingmax the salesman convinced me that the Gail is good choice for the mobo. And the brand I've purchased wasn't and still isn't on the ASUS vandor quality list. (doh!)

So I went poking around BIOS settings and discovered one wierd thing. Actually my DRAM configuration would differ from time to time. To be specific, if I changed "Timing mode" from "auto" to "manual" and changed, let's say, Memclock Index Value form 400 to 200 Mhz, saved the changes and restarted, then entered BIOS again, changed back the timing mode to "auto", the Memclock Index value (greyed when on auto) would show 200, 266 or 400 Mhz.

I've updated my BIOS to newest version (10.14).
Label on my memory sticks said:
DDR400 (blah, blah...) 2.5-4-4-8


My BIOS DRAM settings were:

Timing mode [AUTO]
Memclock Index value(MHz) [400MHz]
CAS# latency (Tcl) [2.5]
Min RAS# active time (Tras) [8T]
RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) [4T]
Row precharge Time (Trp) [4T]
Row cycle time (Trc) [11T]
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) [14T]
Read-to-Write time (Trwt) [4T]
Write Recovery time (Twr) [3T]
1T/2T Memory Timing [2T]
S/W DRAM Over 4G Remapping [Disabled]
H/W DRAM Over 4G Remapping [Disabled]

You can see that there are MORE settings than ones stated on the sticks.

So, I've tried to contact Geil for the complete settings list, but to no avail. Got no reply.

I've used nTune, PC probe II, CPUZ and many other tools to figure out the problem. One thing I've noticed is alot of "unknown" regarding memory installed. (brand, speed, PC probe even reported 50ns speed on the empty slot!).

I've troubleshooted the memory problem for a long time and I belive I have the solution, but I want to hear from other ppl their opinions.

Actually, I've stumbled on a info that helped me.
It is some sort of timing formula:

tras + trp = trc
trc + 4 = trfc

If that is correct, my settings were all wrong. So I've changed:

Row cycle time (Trc) [11T]
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) [14T]


Row cycle time (Trc) [12T]
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) [16T]

That is what this post is about. I want opinions, advices and anything you guys can throw at me regarding this formula and memory settings in general.

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[Response to PM]

Hah, well although I'm Mr. Einstein and I'm a mod in here, I really couldn't tell ya about BIOS settings, as I'm not too knowledgeable on that topic.

Sorry :o [/response]

Looks to me like "customer support" for the Geil, nvidia and asus reads "customers not supported here"

Geil - every email fails to reach them
Asus - You should see the form to fill in. Only thing they left out is shoe size.
Nvidia - I'll copy-paste one reply (juicy parts) on different topic:

Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care.

NVIDIA does NOT build graphics cards, motherboards or PCs. While our partners and customers all choose NVIDIA's technology as a core component for their solutions and they do implement them differently.

Please feel free to contact us, if you have any further questions.

NVIDIA Customer Care.

Hmm... feel free to contact us, but don't ask any questions about nForce4 nor GeForce?

Aghh... I'm off the topic.

What are you rated voltage and current voltage settings? Geil has a problem with setting default voltage, you may need to increase the voltage, sounds like some of the DRAM modules aren't powering up correctly.

Current voltage is set on "auto".
PC Probe reports it as 2.9V

I can set it up to 3.0V max. with increments of 0.05V.

And Geil has problem with customer support too. That is, if there was one.

I've asked AMD for advice (fingers crossed).

Try this http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/. Run memtest from the startup, you need to make this a boot cd by the way. Take out all the sticks and run em' 1 at a time. You might have a faulty DRAM module, if so this thing should help ya find it. Give it a shot and lemme know what happens. =) (Great resource to have by the way.)

Can't seem to find the download link to it...
Anyways, I did run Windows Memory Diagnostic tool over night couple of days back, and no errors turned up. Set it on extensive mode or something. It also passed memtest86 and prime95. I don't think that another memory test software would make any difference.

I must admit that since I've changed timings according to that formula, I haven't seen much of those errors. Only one. Caused by IE when I closed it's window.

BTW, I got reply from AMD. They claim that the errors are originated from memory modules, and not memory controller (that is embedded in CPU).

After long and painful correspondence with AMD experts, I've finally got my confirmation:


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