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"Every time we raise the bar, you-know-who stoops to a new level." - Novell

- Novell is a powerfull network operating system.
Response: Its not out dated. In fact, Microsoft stole the .NET idea from Novell (Novells ONE Net Strategy)!

- Novell requires a bulky client for conectivity
Response: Nope! Novell NetWare has a thin client system, titled the Native Client Access Pack. It allows operating systems to connect and utilize Novell Servers in an operating system's native networking protocol. (On linux, the novell looks like SMB, on a mac it looks like appleshares, and on windows it looks like a winnt domain).

- Its hard to set up a Novell Server
Response: NO WAY!!! GUI Installation, web interface configuration tools (iMonitor, iPrint, iManage, etc) are core parts of the Novell experiance, getting you up and running in less then an hour!

Novell NetWare 6 - Featuring the Network Service they'll continue to lie about! for more information!

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A short corrective primer for the thread: some of the original claims are accurate, others need context. NetWare 6 and 6.5 added modern conveniences (browser-based admin, iPrint/iFolder, GUI installs) and a Native File Access Pack (NFAP) so Windows, Mac and UNIX clients could use their native protocols instead of a proprietary Novell client — that explains ’s “thin client” point, but it’s a server-side feature rather than a magic client bundle. (support.novell.com)

Timeline and strategy in one paragraph: NetWare 6.5 shipped in 2003 and was followed by Novell’s move toward Linux (the company announced its SUSE acquisition in November 2003 and closed it in early 2004). Novell then introduced Open Enterprise Server (OES) in 2005, which packaged NetWare services so they could run on either the NetWare or a SUSE Linux kernel — that shift is why many sites “migrated to SuSE” in the mid-2000s. NetWare’s last formal update was 6.5 SP8 (2009). These are the concrete dates that clarify ’s and others’ observations. (en.wikipedia.org)

About cost and “free” Linux: desktop/community Linux is downloadable at no charge, but enterprise deployments normally buy subscriptions for updates, support and lifecycle services (SUSE, Red Hat, etc.). Likewise, Windows Server uses licensing models (server licenses plus Client Access Licenses) that matter for total cost of ownership — vendor marketing numbers will vary, so treat them with the grain of salt suggested and validate with support/lifecycle docs. (suse.com)

On the thin-client question from : “Microsoft thin client” typically means Remote Desktop Services (RDP) from Windows Server; “Citrix thin client” refers to Citrix Virtual Apps/Desktops using ICA/HDX. RDS is tightly integrated and often lower-cost; Citrix adds more WAN optimization, device/printing redirection and scalability features at higher complexity and price — choose by user profile, network conditions and management requirements. (learn.microsoft.com)

Relevant reading (official docs and product pages above) will verify dates, lifecycle details and licensing models.

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Nice resouce, but I'd have more faith in it if it was someone other than Novell itself that provided it. It reminds of the positive statistics private companies and groups make about Microsoft (how good their software is, reliable, etc.) You think that because on the outside they're not related to Microsoft.... but who funds it... yes... Microsoft funds the research gone in the statistics. :D

No matter what the review is or comment is, it will always be biased. Why? Because we're human.

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Nice resouce, but I'd have more faith in it if it was someone other than Novell itself that provided it. It reminds of the positive statistics private companies and groups make about Microsoft (how good their software is, reliable, etc.) You think that because on the outside they're not related to Microsoft.... but who funds it... yes... Microsoft funds the research gone in the statistics. :D

No matter what the review is or comment is, it will always be biased. Why? Because we're human.

Ahh yes... all those statistics that windows is cheaper in the long run than linux, courtesy of m$ $$$

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That's why take everything you read with a grain of salt, even if it's from someone you favor.

Member Avatar for MAD_DOG

Wait a minute I dont understand why we all love linux so much because it is free. Windows is free as well the only people who pay for it is businesses not us. Say your the Network Admin for a company your not buying 400 Licenses for Novell your not paying a penny same with at home you download it. So why complain any more right hmmmm makes sense yes?

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Well, it's assumed that we are talking about a network in the business place. Linux is cheaper hands down as far as price. Also it's very reliable. The only charges that a company would have to pay are in training the staff, consulting, as troubleshooting because it's not as intuitive as Windows (this would be the case for Windows too, but not as much as Linux).

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Windows is free as well the only people who pay for it is businesses not us.

Excuse me!?

Unless you're pirating M$ software you ARE paying for it.

Or did M$ put their windoze up for free download when I wasn't looking?

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can some one tell me the difference between microsoft and citrix thin clients

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Netware used to be excellent. But it isn't popular anymore, and even Novell abandoned it at 6.5 for SuSE.

can some one tell me the difference between microsoft and citrix thin clients

thin client is a very basic hardware that can connect over a network to a citrix server, which will provide the computational abilities (i.e. desktop, services, programs)

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Wait a minute I dont understand why we all love linux so much because it is free. Windows is free as well the only people who pay for it is businesses not us. Say your the Network Admin for a company your not buying 400 Licenses for Novell your not paying a penny same with at home you download it. So why complain any more right hmmmm makes sense yes?

How could you say "Windows IS free" when you need to purchase the boxed edition of XP Home or XP Pro? Plus you cannot have unlimited networking with Windows Server 2003 without purchasing related client access licenses (CALs) ?

Even if we need to purchase Linux for enterprise deployment (because of the support), Linux beats Windows in terms of price hands down. We don't need to purchase other so-called "licenses" just to do networking. You'd be crazy to fall for the M$ licensing BS.

Yes, I _know_ M$ licensing because I've trained for it too.

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Linux, free in the business place? doubtful.
http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/
try telling your customers that you have a secure environment, you just don't pay for updates and support. They will think you are some kid in his bedroom. To do it properly costs $$$. It all starts to add up.

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