Well I finished Novell class is over after installing and upgrading and installing over and over and playing with it and the user management had a good time. ZEN Works is the biggest plus of all of them. That is one of the best prog/utilities I ever seen. ARC is cool along with there other prog/utilities like iPrint etc etc. You told me tek when I finish this class I will be teaching you something the only thing I learned is I still far behind you in Novell but I'm coming!