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Reports are emerging that according to a Gartner analysis, albeit a controversial one, Windows is on the verge of collapse. The conclusion being that unless something is done soon then it is only a matter of time before a competitor that is more able to tackle the problems it has faced will emerge and dethrone the OS King.

The analysis, carried out for Gartner by Michael Silver and Neil MacDonald, included a survey which asked if Microsoft needed to radically alter its approach to Windows to stay viable. Of the assorted IT managers and executives questioned, half apparently raised their hands.

Interestingly, the spectre of Windows 7 might be having an impact upon the commercial success of Vista with Silver providing anecdotal evidence of customers calling to ask if it was advisable to wait for the next generation Windows OS rather than upgrade now to Vista. The answer, according to the Daily Tech report at any rate, was to adopt Vista on an attrition basis and replacing XP only when those machines died.

The analysis offers the following advice for Microsoft: reduce development time, deliver better inter-platform consistency, tailor fit the operating system to specific applications and simplify licensing.

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Windows 7 should win back confidence

thats what always happened

vista is a step in the right direction. Its highly stable, up to date and secure> Problem though, is speed, cost and compartibility

ms really messed up by releasing too many vista versions and by releaing it too late, and then rushing it anyway.

imho it will be a stopgap to a new era

E.g

windows 98 = good.
Windows ME = crap
windows xp good
vista = crap
windows 7 = good ?

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I remember Gartner saying the same back about a decade ago, when they predicted that Windows 2000 would fail.

They even state that Windows is too old and that Linux has the future, an even more bloated (who needs 500 text editors, 10 office suits, 20 window managers, etc. etc. installed as standard but no decent way to set up a printer?) and even older operating system (it's based on the 30 year old System V).

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I quite disagree with you that Vista is "crap", jbennet. I'm using it on 2 machines, it's rockstable and quite performant.
Some applications may give problems, but that can't be blamed on the operating system as those applications were never designed for the operating system.

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The best part about Microsoft's OS is that they keep posting updates. Though I dont know much about vista but XP has proven to be very reliable for me. Lets see what SP3 brings us.

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500 text editors? 10 office suites? 20 windows managers? OK, whilst there may well be that that many of these things, it's the same as with Windows free/easyware. There are some main choices ( 2-5 text editors, 2-3 office suites, 2-4 window managers ) and the other options are just niche / rarely looked at, or are based heavily on the main options.

Not much is considered 'standard', you choose what you want from what is available on a very granular level, often as early as install settings, and then you can add what you need/remove what you don't afterwards. It's as bloated or compact as you want it to be. Where do you come up with statements like that anyway? You can install a tiny linux, or a bloated linux. You can bloat Windows in about half an hour, same with Linux. No great difference.

( At least we have a choice of window manager ^_- )

As for setting up a printer.. yeah agreed. but why is that? Driver/printer manufacturers release predominantly for Windows, and I'm quite sure that most linux developers have better priorities than pinning down drivers for every printer on the market. Massive thanks to the ones that do though, since some printers do work fine, despite limited or no help from manufacturers.

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I quite disagree with you that Vista is "crap", jbennet. I'm using it on 2 machines, it's rockstable and quite performant.

thats why i said it was a step in the right direction. highly stable, up to date and secure but had problems with speed, cost and compartibility

Some applications may give problems, but that can't be blamed on the operating system as those applications were never designed for the operating system.

uh. No. an OS is designed to run apps. Its its function hence OPERATING system.

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uh. No. an OS is designed to run apps. Its its function hence OPERATING system.

Sure, to run applications designed to work on it.
Vista is a different operating system to XP, let alone Windows 1.0.
There were a lot of programs designed for Windows 98 that would no longer work on XP either, yet at the time noone seemed to care about that.
Of course back then most of them were games people were no longer interested in.

It's the nature of the game. Either you loose compatibility with older software at some point or you get a bloated, insecure, impossible to maintain, and quite probably glacially slow, monstrosity.

Microsoft does a lot to ensure things will remain working, but they can't test everything and sometimes have to make tough decisions.
They also provide software makers with information (and prerelease versions) quite a long time before a new OS is released to manufacturing, giving them plenty of time to update and test their products if they so wish. If not all of them do that that's not Microsoft's problem, yet you blame them for the laxness of those other companies.

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Jbennet needs to make up his mind about what he thinks about Vista and stop having different 3p opinions every three days.

Vista is far from crap. It might not be the speed demon you seem to want, and it does have problems (depending on who you are), but it is still good imo. Vista should be to the Windows line similar to what 2000 was in it's era.

As for Linux...well I went through three different distros at work today trying to get some "linux" software to work on it, one of which even the installation failed. I must be pretty stupid.

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jbennet | Microsoft Fanboy

I believe you have not quite got it right:-

windows 98 = good.
Windows ME = crap
windows xp good
vista = crap
windows 7 = good ?

Should be:-
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Win 1.0 good start
Win 2.0 poor
Win3.0 better
Win3.1 good
Win95a poor
Win95b better
NT3 poor
NT4 good
windows 98 = better
windows 98SE = best (Still Good against later Windows issues, probably the best of all ).
If only we could get a 2008 SP for it.
Windows ME = poor (crap - something you do in a lavatory)
NT5 Win2000 Poor
NT5 Win2000Pro+SP4 Good
NT6 windows xp basic Very Poor (Given 'XP' was supposed to stand for 'Experience')
NT6 windows xp Higher editions +Sp3 Good
NT6 WinServer 2003 Good
NT7 vista = Poor (crap - something you do in a lavatory)
NT8 windows 7 = good ?

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