Posts by canadafred

Sorry, forgot to mention this.

Google :

" Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines dozens of aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query. "

www google com/technology/index html

Ok I ask you if u want to participate in a linking scheme.

Happy.

Thanks but no thanks. I think I'll change my fishing line to a twenty pound test instead. Looks like the pike are getting active on the lake. Then I'll do like John and create content that people naturally want to link to.

... Once, again, that is completely beyond the control of the webmaster and cannot be held against them.

... cannot be held against them ...

Man, you are living in a fairy tale world. I don't care how wonderfully optimized a web site is, if it has a significant amount of incoming links from unreliable or pre-determined bad linking neighbourhoods, it will suffer. It doesn't matter whose fault it is.

One of the first things to do when removing penalties from a web site is to shake off as many of these bad incoming links as possible. Ever try that? Not fun but well worth the rewards.

I didn't think I was in the directory (I thought I was in the SERPS only) but it turns out I am so yay for me I guess. LOL. Yahoo! sends me an insignificant amount of traffic, unfortunately, so it's not worth bothering with it turns out. For me, anyways.

uk yahoo com still has many good categories that are free to suggest a web site.

In time, if accepted, the web site will be made available in all Yahoo portals. Listing to Yahoo directory is a good thing, SEO wise, as the link it provides is credible. It won't generate much traffic directly but more often than not is a positive off-page element.

Tip: Don't fill in country specific information in the form.

Why don't you just ask us if we want to participate in a linking scheme?

Linking to other sites is an outgoing link. When someone links to you then it is an incoming link. When you link to a bad neighborhood your are implicitly a part of it and will suffer its fate. But if one links to you and you don't link back the worst that can happen to you is nothing at all.

I certainly would not test that theory on any web project that I am working on.

As pointed out by cscgal and myself it can have lots to do with links. In fact, it almost certainly does.

A search engine optimizer is different than a link strategist. Most around SEO circles seem to have difficulty differentiating between the two, so I will not feel bad if you disagree with me.

Is it worh the money to do Yahoo paid inclusion?

Why pay when inclusion is available for free.

I have seen this place, is is very interesting
<snip> You can see all directories the submission is free. The directory about 200 directories. This url offer information about category and page rank

What a farse. I wouldn't waste your time submitting to this crap.

Concentrate on developing your own web sites and empower yourself from within. Get yourself a decent linking hierachy and make sure the important content is easily reachable for both the serch engine and the visitor.

Create the highest quality content you can and make no mistakes, neither spelling nor coding.

Submit it once. Google will decide for itself when it will crawl and how often.

I do however, suggest you submit a Google SiteMaps and keep that updated regularly.

Just keep making changes to the site and Google will keep coming back to check it out.

..., the search engines may (not always) remove or ban websites (from the natural search results) using the same IP address ...

... That's a myth ...

I think I can clarify this one.

The question revolves around whether or not a web site will get banned due to the misbehaviour of another web site sharing the same IP address virtually.

The answer to that is no. A search engine will not ban another web site unrelated to its neighbours sharing the same IP address.

Now. Will the search engines penalize unrelated web sites sharing the same IP address virtually because a misbehaving neighbour? I think that could happen, in extreme cases. I think the search engines sorta' warn us themselves about this factor. The type of behaviour needed to get banned from the search engines is not usually the type of SEO foul play you'll find in the general web sectors. In the general web sectors, I can't see IP sharing being much of a problem, anymore.

What is important, however, is when a web site needs an advantage in regional and country specific searches. It seems to me that having a web site that is totally looked after in the same country has an advantage. I can easily see the reasoning behind that. Why would a James Bay Frontier Fishing Expert want to have his web site hosted and managed in Taiwan?

Cheaper maybe.
Cheers

What other methods are they using to get a top listing in organic search?

It is called search engine optimization, and, as you have demonstrated, it has little at all to do with incoming links.

Linking to other sites is an outgoing link. When someone links to you then it is an incoming link. When you link to a bad neighborhood your are implicitly a part of it and will suffer its fate. But if one links to you and you don't link back the worst that can happen to you is nothing at all.

You just don't get it, do you.

If a web site has incoming links from spammy sources, it will suffer from losing authenticity and credibility with the major search engines, whether it is the SEO's fault or not.

One of the responsibilities an ethical SEO has when working on a web site is to extract the web site from the clutches of an unsavoury linking past and to avoid the temptation of gaining inbound links using a haphazardly approach or with a careless attitude. The obsession to gain incoming links is driven by a common SEO misunderstanding. Any attempt to artificially increase a web site's importance by acquiring unearned links to the web site is an attempt at search engine manipulation.

Search engine optimizers, web site designers and website developers should concentrate on crafting the highest caliber, uniquely important content possible rather than chasing links. There is a huge difference in skill needed between being and SEO and being a linking strategist. Most link strategists think they are performing SEO when they chase links, but they are not.

Guys,

I have a Q.
What is the best/effective method that you found to get a free one way links to your website ?

Thanks,

A. Create something worthy to be linked.

There is no such thing as a bad incoming link. The worst that can a link can do is nothing at all...

Better let Google know this ...

Google : ... Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links ...

... just asking for Daniweb members opinion what they thing is best ...

It is best not to concern yourself with trying to manipulate your web site's importance by artificially inflating it with links to it. It is best to concentrate on developing the highest quality content within your capabilities and creating web pages that are naturally worthy of being linked.

Thanks to all in advance.

You now realize that you have completely wasted your time with your previous SEO efforts and your obsession over PR importance, why don't you just concentrate on creating unique, valuable content that is worthy linking to?

Hi everyone,
anyone could explain for me this issue that my site get top in Yahoo all the time but every Saterday and Sunday my competitor takes my position ( Mine down to second and sometimes to the 5th or 6th position in the first page ). other days in a week mine come back to the first, it happened for half a year now. I found it so wierd. Anyone has the same sutuiation?

Seems like standard crawling/refreshing activity, a little too consistent for me but hey, at the least the bots come and go frequently.

Off topic, have you many spelling mistakes within the content of the web site?

You can throw in SBO a few times to dilute the longer term but that won't help much as the SEs can reward terms that have equivalents within close proximity. They are smarter than ever them darn search engines.

Think of other terms such as businessman or investor ...

Do the best you can to make your real keyphrase stand out (bolding, H tags, italics, image names and alt tags, repetiton within reason etc.

You are certainly going to have to craft your content carefully and for that alone, the search engines will reward you.

Good luck

What m I missing out?

... the joy and satisfaction one receives from creating something uniquely worthwhile for an Internet visitor.

I prefer the Yahoo denser results over the Google netfulls but can still find what I want better and faster with Google.

I like MSN most of the times. Tolerance for it vital in keyphrase competitions nowadays. I have seen some pretty weird SERPs though. Makes me kinda wonder sometimes. Next operating system upgrade should prove to be interesting for the SE.

this_page_name_is_very_long_or_is_it.htm

use-hyphens-instead-of-underscores.aok
:)

Take a deep breath.

How do you feel now?

... cloaking ...

It seems to be about tricking everybody and everything. First trick the search engines then trick the visitor. Seems to me like you have a bad case indeed, something similar to the ever contagious Adsense flu.

I recommend that you take two aspirins, get a good night sleep then concentrate on creating something meaningful for the Internet.

Is self promotion allowed here?

... not supposed to be, there is already a place here on Daniweb for posting when one is looking for freelancer work. I've been hanging around there too lately.

HI folks. Anybody intersted in SEO , Link building in India, Just let me know.

... anything with india in it usually gets a by.

Check this one too: http://www.seotools.kreationstudio.com/keyword/index.php

By far the best keyphrase tool ever suggested. This the the real McCoy Advanced Keyword Suggestion Tool, I'm telling you folks, Webnauts knows a good SEO tool to suggest. That's for sure.:lol:

Looks very clean. Good content. Good linking strategy. Last cache on 26 Jun 2006. No site links, no back links.

Bad choice of domain extension, should have went with a dot com. You can overcome the search engine's disfavour by staying clean and growing.

Sounds like a new site that's for sure. Keep doing exactly what you have been doing. You are in good shape. Patience and perseverence. Stay clean.

http://info.vilesilencer.com/

Can even pick up your own SEO Friendly Certification Button while your there; would look mighty professional on an SEO expert's web site.

Just thought I'd help any search engine optimizers out there wanting to appear like theys' a happy, smiley, people pleasin' Internet marketing corporate image type. Just like to help m' neighbour that's all. Hope it helps!

Shoot. Get the whole family around the computer and watch Mom shop for links too. Make it a regular night where everyone takes turns picking links for the family business web site. Nice friendly light blues and yellow web sites too most of 'em. One I looked at had a really nice dog, cutest long eared thing. All kinds of people with really great teeth too. Safest lookin' places in the world to do some link shopping I would think. I'm gonna' see if I can get the grannies over at the bingo in on a real big link buildin' party next Saturday afternoon. I suppose I better pick up some extra toilet paper for that.

So don't forget to pick up the button. Should be seeing lots more like those around soon; that'll make 'em all feel like a part of something bigger.

Go to http://www.isedb.com/. It is a directory of directories.

... and make sure you have your credit card handy 'cause you're gonna' probably be needin' it often.

Red green always used to say something to the effect of "If you can't be good lookin', ya' might as well be handy." that's all I'm doing. Just doin' my part to save the reader a trip to her purse or wallet before they got all caught up and excited in choosing within the suggested directories of directories. I'm sure there will be no trouble from the directories' side; they usually are much obliged for your business, much obliged. Just doing my part to help out, help someone save a little bit of time. A guy like me is pretty handy to have around I would think; offering helpful suggestions such as the one above.

A search engine optimiser also knows that sites with similar subject matter should link to each other and ...

... seeks to make that happen internally rather than depend on unstable external forces. This is so that he can have more control of a search engine strategy and its performance.

A search engine optimiser doesn't stick his head in the sand and ignore facts because of some type of ethics he's invented for himself. He just does his job.

Invention is a mandatory requirement. In today's SERP conditions, that's the only way a fair players can win. A search engine optimizer must sift through all the facts, analyze SERP performances closely and invent his own unique positioning plan each time; based on everything he can find including the weaknesses discovered among the top challengers according to each keyphrase niche market condition. An expert and ethical SEO can always squabble amongst the top players. I personally send email to opponent SEOs I discover to be playing fairly and strongly encourage them in their efforts and give them my professional admirations. These are the types to learn from. These are the real SEO Masters that I meet, they know the real craft; they play by the rules. This, this is the art of SEO.

The benefit of random link exchanges is miniscule. Well-placed links, though, can be invaluable and that's what everyone should be doing. Perfectly ethical, too.

I sometimes forget who is arguing what. I get an email with the comment and try to figure out what argument that is in.

I think you position is essentially quite close to mine. My argument is against the link startegies deployed to inflate content importance. Any search engine strategists that includes a campaign to solicit, buy, exchange or extort links for the purposes of artificially enhancing the importance of the content is not an ethical search engine optimizer. Do they win in the SERPs, they make for challenging competitors but their status easily capitulates when a well-crafted challenger is on their ass. Just falls apart sometimes, hardly any resistance. An ethical SEO must use the limits of his innovative talents in order to compete against the mountains of the inflated mediocre, but can still win. It takes a little longer sometimes. There aren't any real short-cuts. Not only does the ethical SEO win but he stays the winner more easily. He doesn't need to seek external empowerent, he adds a little more content once in a while. Ethical SEOs have their dignity in tact too. There is no begging, there is no deception, there is unhealthy dependance on anything else but his own content, there is no time at all spent seeking any support.

An ethical SEO knows the power of content, no …

I'm tired of this too. I've posted two questions to Matt Cutts yesterday and today. He has answered my questions before and I'm hoping he'll do the same.

These latest videos do not help calm the SEO chaos, they intensify it. Seems like everything they are doing lately is contrary to the way it is supposed to be.

I am engaged in three or four debates simultaneously across three fronts and I am growing weary of being taken out of context. I try to express my position simply and am bombarded with counter-strikes from link strategists mostly. I understand their desperation to seek solice in their manipulative ways. I am telling them that there is a better road beyond the unstable, undignified PR begging. This may appear to be expert ethical SEO, but it is not.

My sarcasm is an expression of futility, not of weakness. It is knowing that I can never beat the majorities running around calling themselves Internet marketing services who only talent is in the effectiveness of their begging others for links, precious technique of theirs.

"Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links." Google

You are absolutely right, I must have been delusional. How could I have ever thought any other way but like that? Please accept my sincere apologies for inconveniencing you and all the others, especially newcomers to SEO, with sharing my opinions. I sure wouldn't want any of them to think that there could ever possibly be any other more ethical way to long term sustained positioning of meaningful keyphrases than the ones you support. Don't listen to me folks, don't hang on every word I write; I'm right out to lunch that's for friggin' sure.

If you're stumped, just don't bother responding. I learned to ignore hippy waffle whilst I was studying for my philosophy degree.

... a "stick and stones" tactic? sad

That's just not polite.

I'm not here to be polite. I present my position on the issue at hand and each SEO chooses his path. They can listen to the majority's trendy accepted supported search engine backed voice or they can listen to the feeble whispers of an aging SEO outcast. It is entirely each search engine optimizer's choice. In all fairness, we spoke our peace.

Thank you for your participation in this debate.

see ya'

So does anyone know of good free traffic that's useful? I'ver never heard of any. Oh well.

... other than the free targeted traffic that is available in the natural search results. That's pretty useful traffic. Those are the ones that can make the telephone ring and send the email enquiries. That's pretty useful traffic. That could be the kind of traffic that a web site would want, I should think.

Imagine people doing searches and finding a web site and an interested web surfer clicks through the link to a web site. Can you comprehend the concept? The visitor actually wants to go there. He visits the web site because he wants to. He naturally wants to visit the web site. I know this could be a tough one to get for many people, but it happens in the natural results from time to time. That is why I am saying it three different ways. There is life beyond paid advertising. Wake up. It is time to sharpen your pencil.

I think your arguments have both correct and incorrect logic.

SEO is web design essentially with additional care taken to prepare the content and to make sure that the search engine can cleanly find the content. Nothing else. The rest is natural if the content within the web pages are crafted with care. That's it. Not much else. Lots of things could be used to propel it or repel it. Lotsa' stuff both inside and outside. Sure. Many techniques. Some work good.

That's about it, this SEO gig of mine, making nice content and offering it to the spider for review. Can't see much else needed really. Sure, can buy stuff in efforts to empower it quicker, but usually those kinds of gimmicks are temporary, might impress some people but not a skilled eye.

The choice really is up to each search engine optimizer to decide:

A. Devise ways to manipulate things so that your content overpowers your keyphrase competitors; as such used by the Mechanical Trendy Boring SEO Experts.
B. Outclass the keyphrase competitors with innovatively crafted, better, cleanly offered content as such used by Ethical SEO Masters.

That's about it, not much more to it really. How are you going to complicate that?

I have been having some fun reading some of the lunacy you've been spouting in this thread, canadafred (though I worry about anyone who actually listens to it). I had no intention of participating, until ...

It is best to leave you with your first instincts.

Also, I stopped bothering to read other people's rhetoric during ethics debates. It makes it easier for the opponent(s) to distract from my simply presented positions.

again:

Any SEO strategy that depends on external forces to empower mediocre content (in this case, artificially manipulating web page ranking using a linking strategy) is a futile experiment for a meaningful web site, notice that I am needing to become more particular. Sure, trendy SERP manipulation tactics may work for some time, but they always seem to lose effectiveness as their lifespan comes to an end. Whenever it is suggested as an SEO technique, it should have a clearly stated warning attached.

Fly-by night web sites using trendy manupulation techniques can do whatever they want, it is the corporate web site owners that should be aware that these types of natural ranking SEO strategies. They come complete with a bigger set of risks. These externally empowering SEO techniques also become a reflection of the corporation's image, to a skilled eye and to the search engine. The spiders collects the local gossip as they crawl about the neighbourhoods of linking mountains. They have long memories too, fly-by night trendy techniques, well ... they usually …

You illusion is a graceful one.

I'll answer your question then comment on your chaos cloud.

Q: What is the one thing you absolutely, indisputably need to be in Google? Take your time.

A love for lava lamps.

Now your attempted deflection. My position has never been in regards to placing one's link in the natural fashion, as in described in a little line of text that also camouflages as helpful. My position is with regards to doing everything else but the normal. You know that.

Man, you are insane.

What's really funny/scary is you quote Google's report on Meta tag usage and claim that is proof they use Meta tags in their algorithm but then take a quote from Google where they explicitly tell you that getting high quality links in a good thing and then say it is hogwash. Do you actually hear yourself when you speak? Seriously.

First of all, there is no proof of nothing either way, is what I said. To suggest omitting the Keywords tag is a proposition that has no merit. There are two things that do prove that Google does not ignore them and leaves the door wide open to assume that it still has uses for them, when they are available. Until otherwise notifed, that is all I have to go on in making a decision to continue using Keywords tags.

1. Google does not indicate that they ignore them, the Keywords tag.
2. The Keywords tag was created by the search engines themselves as well as the Description tag, because of this, the search engines certainly cannot penalize a web page that uses them appropriately and HTML tags that become obsolete are no longer valid in markup standards. Until some Google official or web coding standard body declare this a fact, it becomes bad SEO advice to give.

Secondly, my entire position regarding link strategies deployed in any effort to artificially enhance mediocre content stands firm. It is a pointless pursuit and subject …

hi,how do i get traffic to my forum,and how to improve it.

pete

Why do you need a forum?

Do you actually hear yourself when you speak? Seriously.

Yes I do. I have accepted that others like you twist my arguments around to discredit me. That comes with being honest. I am under non-stop attack by services like yours. I accept that as part of being an ethics advocate in such a volatile industry.

My message may get garbled with all the clouds of chaos about me stirred by every faction a black hats, but it is a simple message.

Business web sites should focus on content quality and presentation of that content, nothing else, for that is the art of SEO.

Far from warning us against getting links, Google specifically say it's the way to increase your ranking:
"In general, webmasters can improve the rank of their sites by increasing the number of high-quality sites that link to their pages."
From:
http://www.google.co.uk/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34432&topic=8524

You almost sound like you are making a good point, unfortunately you too have been mislead in this green bar frenzy.

You are referring to PageRank pumping I am assuming. Google has repeatedly warned us about unnatural linking startegies being in their sights. Links are indeed a big factor today that drive useless, irrelevant and valueless content to the top of the SERPs. This loophole has been overly exploited. In fact, it is a dangerous game and should not be deployed on normal business web site promotions.

SEOs all have a choice. Of the thousands of filtering and discovery systems that Google uses to rank web pages, do they really want to jump onto the linking bandwagon? Just think about it SEOs, think about your client's investments. What would be the professional, ethical thing to do with your customer's investment? Increase the web site's importance externally? Doesn't sound like a very stable Internet marketing plan in my eyes.

Ever have this thought: What is going to happen in the SERPs tomorrow? Do you care about tomorrow?

Ethical SEOs should stick to what is traditionally is unaffected by manipulation trends. Simply create brilliant content and offer it to the search engines for …

So why wouldn't someone seek incoming links?

Nothing, as long as it is a natural occurrence.

Any SEO technique that considers seeking externally to empower sub-standard content because in itself cannot generate enough merit on its own, is manipulating the content’s credibility by artificially enhancing its importance. The search engines clearly warn us against this. You are talking about a previously effective and trendy SERP manipulation technique whose day has passed you by. Sure, you’ll still find the postured fluff around, but it is on the search engines chopping block. Go ahead; deceive with all your might these little textual anchors that push the green line up. It is a pointless pursuit.

Today, search engines are rewarding web pages for their unique well crafted content in a much more sustainable and powerful way than any link manipulating strategy. Link strategies disassemble at the coming of an ethical SEO freight train. All around me are the freed people with no more purpose in SEO left; perpetuating a pitiful deceit in order to eat. PR beggards.

The search engines will continue to target link brokers, link farms and all unnatural linking strategies of all kinds. They will undoubtedly continue to evolve to better filter out the fluff; out of their own need to survive, and there will still be those like you with trendy SEO unqualified advice.

You seem to think that external factors are not a part of SEO. You are sorely mistaken. All of the major search engines use external factors, primarily links, in their ranking algorithms and for good reason. On page factors are under direct control of the webmaster and can be manipulated. Off page factors are not under the control of the webmaster and cannot be manipulated nearly as easily. This allows for a more "natural" way to determine a page's relevance.

I realize that external factors affect the rankings. In many cases that I come across in challenging SERPs, the leaders are there mostly due to external factors exclusively. The have no content of significance!

The best SEO is the one who begs for importance the most. Let's get real.

Continue this propogating deceit. The link angle is broken. Manipulators.

That's a perfect example of links are important in SEO with Google.

You have provided an example of a mutated experiment gone mainstream to become the #1 SEO secret ever. This deception is thanks to good marketing. As long as this perverted perception of fact permeates SEO strategies all over the world, the better ethical SEO experts become. So keep it up, keep going with this and convince as many short-cut seekers as you want, but they will get better visional in time, they will see better soon and they will look at those who have pushed this on them as SEO experts, my counterparts in a desecrated passion.

The obscure term has no meaning and is not in a competitive niche keyphrase market. If the keyphrase had any value whatsoever, you would have a position however weak.

In this case, pitiful as it is, anchor text is sufficient to drive it to #1 because of the keyphrase market conditions. If you think in a minute that I am going to allow you to pass this nonsense on unchecked, you have underestimated my constitution.

Try another example, not so blatantly useless, so I can more explain some of the hazards of this type of web site promotion expertise of begging others for undeserved importance.

Seeking externally for empowerment in any way is not a sustainable SEO strategy, in the real world. As a matter of fact, this type of ranking technique has very little to do …

miserable failure

Not a good example due to its incredibly manipulated status and obscure nature. Try another one. I'll do this all night. Show me!

Google pretty much ignores your description all together.

pretty much : altogether
wishy : washy

I am curious to read how you support this position. Do you have anything credible to back this statement? something based on fact? or are you just slinging SEO advice around based on what someone once told you they heard from a cousin's second husband's aunt?

You'll have far more luck improving your rankings with Google by getting more relevant links to your website. Make sure those links use anchor text with the keywords you hope to rank well for.

It requires no luck to displace a keyphrase competitor; when one decides to outclass them with better crafted content.

SEO strategies that seek externally to empower their content in order to increase web page rankings in the SERPs are not sustainable.

Linking strategists are such desperate opponents, dependant and starving … spare some importance for a blind SEO today ma’am, thank you very much … on their way to the results pages cemetery along with that little green bar they worship so much.

Links will once again return to their rightful places as basic web elements; friendly facilitators for a user experience. Joiner things, innocent Internet binders, never intended to stir such a foolhardy frenzy; toss them around like sprouting money pods hoping with luck to push the linear greenly up one more notch, just fodder for fanatical swine.

They will rise again, links, for the visitor next time. PR is an obsolete factor in the SERPs.

I am new to the SEO and looking for search engine optimization tool ...Does anyone know other good seo software or recommendation?
Many thanks.

Find one that you can work the code manually so you can tweak your content delivery or modify internal elements like Title and stuff. A good quick one that I still recommend is NotePad. ( most people probably didn’t get that one )

I have more than one comment about the uselessness of most SEO software tools; they sell good. ( some more will get what I mean now )

Oh heck.

Software developers often prey on people still hoping to find short cuts in SEO. Just keep that in mind when shopping around for SEO stuff that you don't need anyway. There, now you know.