Posts by canadafred

Hey, isn't there a moderator here anymore.

This is clearly spam.

Never use to be able to put links in a posting here at Daniweb before.

I would first suggest that you learn how to write in English before attempting SEO any further. Dudes like you must resort to what the backlink preacher just suggested as your content must be incredibly crappy and must seek outside of itself for empowerement.

Start scheming for links with all your might!

Stop wasting time. Nice signature.

There are only a few search engines that account for the vast majority of all web searches and they all will find, crawl and rank your web pages provided that somewhere else on the Internet exists a link to your stuff.

Hi,
give me tutorials for SEO
i want from basics good tutorials

Click on some of our links to tips and SEO advice. The minute you publish an SEO book it becomes obsolete. SEO is the art of positioning web pages at the top of the search engine results pages and sustaining that presence in industry specific and competitive keyphrase arenas. SEOs master the on-site web elements. SEO experts are not link usually link strategists (link schemers) they craft the content to earn it's own links naturally.

The Title tag is not a meta tag as it was created for the Internet browser and not the search engine.

The fact is that well optimized web pages with few backlinks frequently outperform fluffed up mediocre content that has hundreds of links.

The number of links should develop naturally. SEOs should remain completely focused on giving the search engine the most important content, deploying the best internal linking structure amongst the keyphrase competitors and move along the top ranking competitors with a plan to naturally evolve the web site; broadening its market scope and developing a web site's internal strength for top ranking sustainability.

Thanks for the help. It is a nitemare.

A nightmare will occur should you choose an SEO firm that will spend money buying links from link brokers. In fact, if your SEO uses any form of linking scheme (to get backlinks unnaturally) you should do well to ask alot of questions for you may be stuck with link partners that your web site promotion could well do without.

Your business is reflected on the type of web site promotion strategy you choose. SEOs who goal is to cheat in order to beat the search engine filters should be avoided as they inevitably get caught in their mischievious ways and the web site promotion can suffer for a long time.

SEO demands the use of on-site elements such as the web content, internal linking structure and the organization of the source coding. SEO demands the ever evolution of the content and the web site. Most linking strategists know very little about the actual art in search engine optimization but they do know how to get links. SEO experts craft their content to be so important in the search engine eyes and so valuable to the Internet visitor that in itself generates the best kinds of links, the naturally occurring ones.

(pardon any spelling errors, in a hurry)

That's got to be some of the worse advice I have ever seen posted here.

Don't pay for links people! Ever. Your own links are much more valuable. Always look within the web site to improve rankings. Links from outside sources will come, naturally, with having above standard content. That's what the search engine really rewards.

Take control of your web site promotion.

I must live on a different planet than the rest of yous.

I prefer MSN over both other search providers. MSN always offers me the best web pages for my search.

When I started in SEO there were about 20 major search engines (Infoseek, Hotbot, Goto, Go, Northern Light, Lycos, Altavista ...) You would do good to rank well in half of them simultaneously. There was more need to find compromising balances in the art of search engine optimization back then.

MSN ranks web pages a certain way and it is substantially different way than Google. Ranking well in Google is not a guarantee that the web pages will rank well in MSN. The web pages may rank well, or they may not.

I forgot to add the another off-site considerations.

Something that is imporatnt for regional searches is that the web site be hosted within the country and preferably with a country extension for domain ( .ca for Canada ). Watch out for trashy servers as your web site can suffer unknowingly due to bad IP sharing neighbours.

Obviously I am a firm believer of concentrating on the on-site elements that are within your control but if you are going on a link hunt, know that other people's links are quite volatile and the wrong ones can take some time for the search engine to forgive.

Usually refers to link building strategies as an effort to increase ranking for content that in itself cannot sustain a decent ranking.

I can't give you the link to my blog article so here it is :

Top 10 SEO Tips

1. Compose effective webpage Titles for each web page.

Titles should briefly but vividly capture the imagination of both the search engine and the web searcher.

Think about throwing in a near variation of that Title in a Heading tag near the top of the source code in order to propel primary and secondary keyphrases into quick visibility for both the search engine and your web visitor.

2. Use logical naming conventions.

Why name a webpage Page1.html when it can be called web-site-promotion-expert.htm . Similarly, consider using stuff like website-promotion-expert-Fred-Joly.jpg .

3. Write good descriptions.

Search engines read and consider your Descriptions. Your web searchers may get it in the SERPs (search engine results pages) and be intrigued enough to visit your webpage.

4. Craft web content so to be outstanding amongst your keyphrase competitors.

Effectively use the English language.

5. Deploy a keyphrase rich anchor linking navigational system. Create a good site map and use things like Sitemaps too.

Avoid unnatural repetition of your desired word phrases. Be creative and use all kinds of related terms. SEO is search engine optimization, Internet marketing and web site promotion.

Learn about the root and meaning of words so as to be able to increase your keyphrase dynamicabilty. Are you searching for the best web promoter?

6. Continually sharpen …

What do you think about this and how we will build links and everything on local markets? We will build links in Italy to mywebsite.com/it or we will ask webmasters to link to us to mywebsite.it and after this 301 redirect will bring them to us.

Doesn't sound like a very good idea to me. Stick to one site. I like the .it better than the sub-directory /it.

Will these links bring us some "google points" (to mywebsite.com/it URL)? How google in Italy will index our website, as mywebsite.com/it or mywebsite.it? In this case it is possible that we will be on 1st place for "my website" phrase in Italy?

1. Maybe
2. Will probably index both then determine which one is more authentic.
3. It's gonna' need more than just domain names and funky redirects if you are looking for keyphrases of any competitiveness.

The idea about so many language versions on one domain is because this way we'd like to build strong traffic on one website, which we can report, check, show... This way we'll be big player, in case of existence 15 separate domain names, our power will be not so big.

I would think your "power" to be overall significantly stronger with the 15 domains.

Can you read? It deals mostly with, not only with. Don't misquote me to think I said something else. A frequent tactic that previous SEO ethics compeititors use (... storming through here, snug in their schemin' heads, think they got one over canadafred, search engine optimizers my ass).

We all know that external links is probably one of the most crucial factors that will ultimately decide which websites rank higher on search engines.

Who's we? You and all the yous in your head? This is nonsense. It is one thing, ONE THING, they, the search engineS, consider. It could affect webpage rankings positively, negatively or not al all.

Google simply writes : "... Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links. ..."

but then goes on to explain : "... However, some webmasters engage in link exchange schemes and build partner pages exclusively for the sake of cross-linking, disregarding the quality of the links, the sources, and the long-term impact it will have on their sites. ..."

Yahoo's position is vaguer : "... Sites cross-linked excessively with other sites to inflate a site's apparent popularity (link schemes) ..."

MSN clearly broadly states : "... Using techniques, such as link farms, to artificially increase the number of links to your page. ..."

Linking strategists aren't usually very well versed in the art of SEO at all, yet mostly tend to consider themselves experts at SEO. Go figure.

You are a obviously a link schemer and not anything remotely resembling a search engine optimizer. SEO deals mostly with on-site factors of webpages and not with artificially empowering web content externally.

I've started as a brain surgeon in Ajax and want to know about what type of training I might need.

Hello Friends,

I want suggestion from all you SEO gurus about web portal Optimization.

As we all know this is the time of portals or Big websites. So we all people have to prepare for optimizing of Portals and Web2.0 websites.

This is your type of thinking, not "as we all know". I see no need to jump on some trendy SEO bandwagon ( in this case : building unneccesary monstrocities in an attempt to increase search engine rankings ).

... If you do the best thing for your visitors and for people who read your articles on other sites, you'll get a lot farther.

... absolutely must agree. Design and code for the visitor and let the search engine determine the authenticity and importance of what you have created. Then, after you are content with the extra effort that went into pleasing the Internet visitor - create more good stuff and keep creating more and more good stuff!

I had to remove the link to your website as self promotion is not allowed at Daniweb.

But I checked it out before I removed it. That checklist was pretty bad. It basically was full of advice based on myths. The checklist above offers not only far more information but far more accurate information.

hey

Stick to the topic at hand. The website that you snipped out has no bearing in this discussion. Email the guy if you want to bad talk his SEO perspectives.

I thought you were the moderator of this group. Shoot, I can't wait for DaniGirl to get rid of you. You are one of the most pompous, irritating and self-inflated horn tooting jerks ever to come through here. I have no idea what danigirl sees in your bias and obsolete SEO ways ...

(this comment won't last more than ten minutes on this thread)

... posted an article to a few pr4 blogs and my site went from 350+ on google/yahoo to the top 100 ...

I would suspect that the postings to a few blogs has had little effect in ranking changes. 350 to 100 is no more than an indication that your web pages are in regular crawls. I would also suspect that your site will drop to the 350 range and crawl up to top 100 repeatedly over the next few months, unless you do something significantly important to your own web pages.

Now, when you see a jump from top 100 to top 20 you would in fact have done something favourable to increase increase your SERP ranking because you addressed your own on-site lack of top ranking sustainability.

In ther words, I suggest you concentrate on creating your own important content rather thatn seek externally to empower something you have created that is obviously mediocre, like the other 250 web pages in your SERP range.

There is no set number since the search engines don't use that meta tag to rank sites. Put as many as you feel you need and put them in order of importance.

A little history/reality check ...

Meta tags are used exclusively by search engines. The original major search engines (that's back in 1994/95) created them and the newer search engines, including Google, adopted the legitimacy of Meta data.

The major search engines read all meta tags. As a matter of fact, they read every single line of code that they can find within a web page in their effort to determine what the web page is all about and if the content is important enough to rank highly amongst other web pages of similar content.

The Meta Keyword Tag is always considered by the search engines.

Until the major search engines themselves declare Meta tags obsolete, it is most wise to keep using them as they provide additional indicators as to what the web page is all about and what the search engines should rank for.

To me, it is quite simple.

If you have a forum whereas nobody cares to join it; is probably not worth joining. Pursuing in its evolution into being just another forum that nobody cares to join, you'll need to solicit for meaningless new members continually.

Happy web site promotion!

The art of SEO has never changed.

What has happened over the last five years is that link strategists have been going around masquerading as search engine optimizer in such a huge volume that most of the Internet world has lost sight of what SEO has always been. They are confused. SEO has little to do with off-site factors, often, nothing at all.

I write extensively about this all the time in hopes of drawing
attention to an ever growing search engine manipulation problem; that essentially, the search engines have themselves created.

The answer to the question : when will a web page be rewarded based on merit? Someday.

PageRank is a mathematical formula that numerically quantifies link popularity. Want higher PageRank? Get more links. Period.

Want to do well in the search results? Forget about PageRankk and focus on adding great unique content to your website and promote it consistently.

Wow. Great answer!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

It may take up to a year for your web site to gain enough authenticity and credibilty to find itself in a reasonable SERP position for your primary keyphrases.

I never took the time to analyze your code so I am hoping that there are no spam techniques employed. Read up on the webmaster guideline and increase your understanding of them.

Take no short-cuts, just keep developing the web site content and have patience.

Well I do what I can. Updating content is very tome consuming but always worth it...someday, :)

That's the spirit!

Go Estreetloans!

Create web content!

Not only is not unprofessional or lame, but it is a very intelligent way to handle 404 errors regardless of the cause. This goes beyond SEO and is downright good usability.

Pardon me as I thaught we were in a search engine optimization forum.

SEO juniors should have opinions from several experienced optimizers before they deploy their search engine strategies.

Let me clarify this for you. 404s used for SEO purposes is a poor technique, a pitiful attempt at harnassing traffic from non-existing content. As a matter of fact, I consider any redirecting or guiding of a visitor from non-contentual web pages to actual content a form of search engine manipulation. The search engine results pages are already over-cluttered with the non-existing, why add more?

If it is no longer of value to have a web page, get rid of it.

Another option, and as the OP mentioned, is to delete the web pages altogether without a 404 at all. Google will discover the webpages no longer exist and after a few attempts to find them, will remove them from its index.

Sure, you can prolong this event by offering a link to actual content through the error page method and you may in fact gain a trickling of misdirected visitors, but that's pretty lame really (and kinda' desperate appearing too). It's always better, in my opinion, to quickly move on to newer hunting grounds (build new content) rather than manipulate the obsolete.

Here is another option and good advice.

Don't waste your time with artificially empowering your content externally.

Best advice.

Just write articles and put them on your own web site or blog.

must be nice to have the power to edit previous posts

In SEO, seeking links means seeking links that will have the greatest positive effect on your site's performance in the SERPs.

“The approach I’d recommend in that case is to use solid white-hat SEO to get high-quality links (e.g. editorially given by other sites on the basis of merit).”

Don't argue with me about it, argue with Google. Solid White Hat SEO

Rule of thumb: a website can never be hurt by another website that it has no affiliation with. Unless your site clearly is associated with a black hat site (i.e. you link to it) that site can never affect your site.

:-O (I'm surprised he put it that way)

I think about the unsuspecting web site owner looking for some IP advice of how his IP may be affecting his organic search engine performance. I sure don't want some poor sap out there on a garbage IP thinking that it could not possibly be his web hosting provider dragging down his web site promotion, as you so adamantly insist. It could very well in fact be such.

I have a perspective on this based on experience.

I have moved web sites from crappy IPs on several occasions and the positive results were immediate. In fact, that's one of the first things I look for now when doing an SEO analysis. A simple thing really, but when needed it is an important one.

Folks, check your web site's IP neighbours. If they seem to be mostly spammy stuff, change your IP. Learn about Google's IP blacklist. I just looked at it again and sure enough, there are scores of hosting companies on it and, they are still hosting general business web sites, yet their IPs are blacklisted ( heavily, heavily penalized ).

Ask questions. Who shares the IP? Get a list and check out your IP …

You should seek every link you can get that is related to your site. Limiting yourself wouldn't be maximizing your potential incoming links. Not only is this good for SEO, it's a natural way to promote a site.

It isn't natural to seek links. It is natural to build website content. Natural infers to something happening on its own. In this case, links being given based on some webdesigner thinking the content of the other web page is worth his visitors knowing about, as it is both related to his content and the other webpage's content serves as additional information for his web visitor. In SEO, it is about giving the Internet visitor a pleasant web experience.

Soliciting, renting, buying, borrowing, begging and arm wrestling for links in not a part of SEO at all. That is the game of linking strategists, a mostly pitiful lot who give the art of SEO a bad name.

... forgot something ...

I mentioned this at a Usenet group today and thought it might clarify this a bit too ...

" I think the search engines are moving more towards the natural
evolution of links, and so they should. Unique, richly crafted content
that is well presented to the web visitor turns into a telephone call
more frequently than empowered garbage. Links acquired based on a web designer thinking its content would be of value for his web visitor is a natural link, based on merit earned from the content.

Concentrate on crafting your content. Sure, go solicit for some links
from relevant themed sources, but this type of activity should be kept at a minimum.
Your internal linking is usually more valuable than incoming links.

As far as the rel="nofollow" goes. I can't seem to understand why the search engine came up with this. If you don't want a spider to follow what you do want an Internet visitor to follow then the search engine doesn't get to see what your webpage thinks is relevant content. This seems like another compromise headed for the chopping block. "

Thank you for the relief in that my link directory is not hurting me, and for the much appreciated praise. :)

Importance, credibility and authenticity needs to be merited. Your work is all three.

I just finished writing about the power of links in natural working web page relationships. Relevancy and natural development gain the highest link rewards.

The days are numbered for the victory by volume strategists. Artificial inflation of importance has been dealt another blow.

Sitemaps is a part of Google Webmaster Tools :)

oh, well then I guess you already said what I said, more encompassing too. I am being accidentally redundant, I guess.

I better go look at those tools again so I don't come across as a guy that thinks he knows it all when in actuallity he hasn't a clue as to what's going on.

ya, tools, better go find them...

... or, you can get yourself a Google account and use a SiteMaps. There is all the instructions at SiteMaps to get you going.

I use these for every web site. This way I need not concern myself with crawling, depth or frequency. I can pretty much control what webpages the search engine crawls and basically tell it when to come by for a visit.

You'll need to put your instructions to the searchengine in an XML files and upload that to your web server. Lots of free and good XML generators nowadays. Does all the stuff itself, just have to input the URL, check a couple of boxes and press GO. I use 'em all the time.

Now, this SiteMaps doo-hickey may not work well most of the time but you bet your auntie's poodle that it will work well at least sometime, soon.

How bad is this??? Does it make things look link farmy, even if the links in the directory are of a good quality?

Also, canadafred, if you are in the directory, you should check out what I did to it today. Made some changes

Hey

I woke up this morning thinking that maybe I'll masquerade as a professional today. My metamorphoses lasted about an hour.

Your stuff doesn't look farmy at all. Yours is a quality directory with only relevant web sites linked backed and forth. It should pose no trouble at all. This is not of the completely useless and careless variety. This is not the stuff the search engines should penalize. Yours is good stuff.

So much time and money being spent creating trash compacters. Hope they are enjoying the moment of glory, some of them.

Ya, I like the changes, especially the snapshots. I like little snapshots like that because it makes it easier to pick out the ones that only want you to visit in hopes that maybe you will click out through an Ad. I spotted three or four right away. I detest it even more when they make these Ads look like they are actually part of the web site's content, just a couple of textual phrases between two other lines of text. I clicked on one the other day by mistake. I despise that. Either it is an Ad or it is not an Ad ... anyway that's another …

I have clearly stated why they can't. I am still waiting to hear why they can.

You will then wait until I write about this again.

I'm outa' here

... There is no such thing as a bad incoming link. The worst that can a link can do is nothing at all...

Those are your original words that started this discussion between us. That is your position. Mine is clearly different.

There is such a thing as a bad incoming link. Bad incoming links can cause webpages not to earn search engine rewards. This is almost the same thing as being penalized. Keyphrase competitors who have not these linked meatheads troubles have yet to have their reputations tarnished. Reputation in itself being an increasingly important ranking factor.

My position goes even further, it is my opinion based on my experiences that some really bad incoming links can damage a webpage's reputation to the point where the webpages can incur penalties.

I know the drill of having webpages with bad reputations. I also know the degree of effort required to regain a search engine's confidence for webpages once it has lost its confidence.

end of discussion

... It's a case of reciprocal links are bad in certain scenarios ...

By god, I think you are getting it, slowly.

I'd like to interrupt your argument a moment to bring up something you quoted Matt: Does this mean that I am being negatively affected by running a reciprocal link directory?

Probably not. Yours seems to have developed naturally enough.

Let's look at the link exchange we have between your Search Engine Optimization Directory Listing and my Ethical SEO Expert web site. I link to Daniweb four, five maybe six times throughout my web site promotion blog and my SEO web site. I do this for my Internet visitor almost exclusively as I find this resource to be of good value. This resource is also a big part of my SEO training. I write a great deal about my Internet marketing passions and whenever Daniweb comes into my paragraph, out of courtesy for my visitor and the entity of which I speak, I link to it. It is offering relevant content to my visitor primarily.

It isn't about whether I help your web site trick the search engine or if you help my web site manipulate the search engines into thinking that my stuff is more important than it actually is. It is natural in this case to have cross references of our relevant content. Our links seem to be like the ones that Google wants us to have :

... editorially given by other sites on the basis of merit ...

I co-incidentally, am given a couple of links from your web site because I keep your …

You can't watch competitors that closely because you don't have access to all of their information. Since you can't see all of their backlinks you can't tell if they got any or how good they are. So you can watch their rankings but you can't watch their links.

I'm growing tired of this John. It is really getting stupid now. Of course, I have a couple of things to say. I do enjoy a lively argument and you sure are a feisty one.

Two things.

First, I have been in the exact same keyphrase competitions from between 8 to 12 years now. That's friggin' near the beginning of the Internet. Where were you when I started understanding my niche markets? Point is, there is no one that knows my keyphrase arenas better than I do, and so I should. That being 101 again.

I have watched them all. Challengers moving up and down. Oh, here comes a good one right on my ass. Nice techniques. Oh there is a cluster of spamshits that just passed me by again on its way down the ladder to SERP oblivion. I wonder what they did to get detected. Oh I see, that should keep them outa' the way for a bit. Darn it, got myself banned again for that? Oh well, better start coming back from the dead, again.

Get the picture?

Secondly, there is life beyond Google? It is not the supreme god of link information, not …

1) [more indicators for ya]None of the other web pages on the website were negatively affected recently[/more indicators for ya]

2) "Google doesn't report all backlinks ..." [sarcasm]no kidding eh, where have I been?[/sarcasm]

3) I watch the keyphrase competitors closely and they aren't doing anything particularly different than normal. That's SEO 101, watching the keyphrase challengers that is.

4) [polite response]Your opinion is noted.[/polite response]

5) [Cutts]... Reciprocal links by themselves aren’t automatically bad, but we’ve communicated before that there is such a thing as excessive reciprocal linking ...

and

... Now I didn’t click through to check out that site; it could be the best SEO site in the world. But the entry doesn’t give great experience for users; heck, it’s not even a complete sentence. And it didn’t look really relevant for users for a diamond ring site to exchange links like this in potentially up to 329 different categories. As Google changes algorithms over time, excessive reciprocal links will probably carry less weight. That could also account for a site having more pages in supplemental results if excessive reciprocal links (or other link-building techniques) begin to be counted less. As I said in January: “The approach I’d recommend in that case is to use solid white-hat SEO to get high-quality links (e.g. editorially given by other sites on the basis of merit).” ...[/Cutts]

counted less ... think about that John. Is not being less awarded the same as being …

... Bad links will never have a negative affect on rankings and I have shown why. Unfortunately you haven't shown why they would hurt rankings ...

Alright John, I'll bite. Here is a real world example of mine.

** Warning **

Moose Hunting Pictures ( sorry folks I work in the Canadian tourism industry ).

This web page is graphic in nature. It shows pictures of harvested moose during the fall hunt so all you animal lovers out there try and control yourselves as I show this example.

Take a look at the Google Backlinks for : www polarbearoutfitters com/fishing-hunting/moose-hunting-pictures htm

There are two Backlinks that Google acknowledges are significant. One is mine the other is spam. Therefore, half of the recognized important linking pages to my page are spam, and not just regular spam. No. No. No. No. No. This is spam of the worse sort. This spam link comes complete with hidden and covered up text, hidden and covered up images, one single solitary URL amongst this cloud of crap which points to my web page and it is using irrelevant anchor text to do so, hidden dirty words, etc. etc.

Although my web page is a simple page, it used to bring in its own search engine traffic to the web site. Now it brings none. It brings none now John. Four months ago it was #4 at google com for moose hunting pictures, now all of a sudden this link …

... I was hoping to get some advice on some of the next steps we should take ...

The site seems very visitor friendly and that should remain your primary concern.

As far as SEO goes, I only looked on the landing page, usually the most important page of a website.

You seem to have forgotten to place text within your meta description and keywords. Could be useful you know.

Try to not close your tags with />. This is XML and the web page is not an XML page or at least it doesn't appear to be.

There appears to be lots of coding errors but nothing overly serious. It should be cleaned up anyway though especially try closing your tags as there seems to be some nesting problems. Many may argue but it isn't good to confuse the bots. Internet browsers shouldn't be affected by these little glitches, so weigh it out. Personally, from an SEO perspective, I believe it is worth taking the time to fix the erroneous code.

... You're not using common sense and that is all you need to grasp the concept. If this was true what would stop people from using this to sabotage their competition? I expect an answer ...

... not much

... Congratulations. You just figured out that Google uses incoming links and other off site factors to rank web pages ...

... both positively and negatively. That's the point of this whole discussion. Google uses incoming links as a factor in ranking web pages. Depending on the keyphrase competition, this could be an important factor.

Great links = could have a positive effect on rankings
Shitty Links = could have a negative effect on rankings

Now let me say this then. In general keyphrase competitions, nothing, and I mean nothing affects a web page in rankings more than the web page itself. There are exceptions but these are glitches and not the norm.